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		<title>Comment on The Original Business Case for the Busway by Matt L</title>
		<link>http://transportblog.co.nz/2012/05/23/13288/#comment-39225</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 09:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think the NZTA would have a copy as they or their predecessors&#039; weren&#039;t involved due to it being an Auckland project. Would be best to ask AT or the council but they may try to charge for it which they are allowed to do if the request is a bit tricky (the NZTA tried it on for this business case saying it was in the archives somewhere until I pointed out that they would have to have had used it for the review they are conducting).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think the NZTA would have a copy as they or their predecessors&#8217; weren&#8217;t involved due to it being an Auckland project. Would be best to ask AT or the council but they may try to charge for it which they are allowed to do if the request is a bit tricky (the NZTA tried it on for this business case saying it was in the archives somewhere until I pointed out that they would have to have had used it for the review they are conducting).</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Original Business Case for the Busway by Ross Clark</title>
		<link>http://transportblog.co.nz/2012/05/23/13288/#comment-39224</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 08:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So much for Helen Clark MP and PM then! :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So much for Helen Clark MP and PM then! <img src='http://transportblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on The Council Agrees to the LTP by John W</title>
		<link>http://transportblog.co.nz/2012/05/23/the-council-agrees-to-the-ltp/#comment-39223</link>
		<dc:creator>John W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 08:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed this looks to be a very promising start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed this looks to be a very promising start.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Council Agrees to the LTP by Peter M</title>
		<link>http://transportblog.co.nz/2012/05/23/the-council-agrees-to-the-ltp/#comment-39222</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 08:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>9 hour long meeting apparently. I look forward to seeing the details - but certainly it seems like the CRL money was approved which means the project can advance. What a relief!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>9 hour long meeting apparently. I look forward to seeing the details &#8211; but certainly it seems like the CRL money was approved which means the project can advance. What a relief!</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Original Business Case for the Busway by Patrick Reynolds</title>
		<link>http://transportblog.co.nz/2012/05/23/13288/#comment-39221</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 07:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NZ is more like an Australian State than the whole country. Like each Au state NZ has one dominant primary city, but unlike them that city is not the capital, does not house the institutions of state gov, nor the cultural ones. Or at least not the ones funded by the whole state equivalent.

And because we currently have the party of the provinces in power (led by two nominal Aucklanders; Key &amp; Joyce, actually a Hawaiian wannabe tax exile and a semi-rural life style blocker and small town boy) the true nature of the city is ignored and in fact attacked by the governing party and it&#039;s cowering apparatchiks. And this wilful ignorance of the needs of a third of he population is all the more possible because the institutions of state are domiciled in a charming little fishing village at the other end of the North Island.

The Super City is, in fact, a challenge to this state of affairs. As we shall see as time and demographics unfold.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NZ is more like an Australian State than the whole country. Like each Au state NZ has one dominant primary city, but unlike them that city is not the capital, does not house the institutions of state gov, nor the cultural ones. Or at least not the ones funded by the whole state equivalent.</p>
<p>And because we currently have the party of the provinces in power (led by two nominal Aucklanders; Key &amp; Joyce, actually a Hawaiian wannabe tax exile and a semi-rural life style blocker and small town boy) the true nature of the city is ignored and in fact attacked by the governing party and it&#8217;s cowering apparatchiks. And this wilful ignorance of the needs of a third of he population is all the more possible because the institutions of state are domiciled in a charming little fishing village at the other end of the North Island.</p>
<p>The Super City is, in fact, a challenge to this state of affairs. As we shall see as time and demographics unfold.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Original Business Case for the Busway by Ross Clark</title>
		<link>http://transportblog.co.nz/2012/05/23/13288/#comment-39220</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 07:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, but part of the reason for the &quot;flat&quot; structure is because we only have the population in total of one of the smaller American states, and it is less than NSW or Victoria. Scotland&#039;s devolved Government has a lot of freedom in its land and sea transport arrangements, but it has a population of 5m. That&#039;s a good question for debate - how much government can we reasonably devolve in NZ to our sub-national Governments?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, but part of the reason for the &#8220;flat&#8221; structure is because we only have the population in total of one of the smaller American states, and it is less than NSW or Victoria. Scotland&#8217;s devolved Government has a lot of freedom in its land and sea transport arrangements, but it has a population of 5m. That&#8217;s a good question for debate &#8211; how much government can we reasonably devolve in NZ to our sub-national Governments?</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Original Business Case for the Busway by Ross Clark</title>
		<link>http://transportblog.co.nz/2012/05/23/13288/#comment-39219</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 07:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glen K - Agree completely. As someone who worked for years in the Wellington transport community (MoT, Transit New Zealand as-was and then Tranzrail), can I add:

* Wellington has some specific transport challenges of its own, both the region getting into the CBD and (separately) the city getting into the CBD. Far more so than Christchurch, which has the same population and has had the same-sized CBD.

* The high net use rates for PT in the region have a lot to do with a very large share of the region&#039;s jobs being in the CBD - far higher than in Auckland. As a result, the rate of bus use for Wellington city proper (~100 trips/person/year) is far higher than for the Auckland isthmus (currently around 55 trips/person/year). 

* It&#039;s changing now, but for most of the post-war period Auckland was hampered by a Balkanised local council structure which basically had the peripheral councils in the region, and even more the separate Isthmus &quot;rotten boroughs&quot;, pulling against the centre. Hence the dispersal of jobs out of the downtown, which is fatal for public transport demand. 

* In its time, the Regional Council did not work all that well, and for the same factors of &quot;balkanised&quot; politics. This was not really an issue in Wellington.

* The other thing that I found frustrating when I worked as a budgets officer for Transit, was that despite all the rhetoric from local councillors about wanting public transport, when it came to them fronting up with their own money, there was a near-total lack of action. OK, things  are changing now, but at the time the gap between rhetoric and actions was significant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glen K &#8211; Agree completely. As someone who worked for years in the Wellington transport community (MoT, Transit New Zealand as-was and then Tranzrail), can I add:</p>
<p>* Wellington has some specific transport challenges of its own, both the region getting into the CBD and (separately) the city getting into the CBD. Far more so than Christchurch, which has the same population and has had the same-sized CBD.</p>
<p>* The high net use rates for PT in the region have a lot to do with a very large share of the region&#8217;s jobs being in the CBD &#8211; far higher than in Auckland. As a result, the rate of bus use for Wellington city proper (~100 trips/person/year) is far higher than for the Auckland isthmus (currently around 55 trips/person/year). </p>
<p>* It&#8217;s changing now, but for most of the post-war period Auckland was hampered by a Balkanised local council structure which basically had the peripheral councils in the region, and even more the separate Isthmus &#8220;rotten boroughs&#8221;, pulling against the centre. Hence the dispersal of jobs out of the downtown, which is fatal for public transport demand. </p>
<p>* In its time, the Regional Council did not work all that well, and for the same factors of &#8220;balkanised&#8221; politics. This was not really an issue in Wellington.</p>
<p>* The other thing that I found frustrating when I worked as a budgets officer for Transit, was that despite all the rhetoric from local councillors about wanting public transport, when it came to them fronting up with their own money, there was a near-total lack of action. OK, things  are changing now, but at the time the gap between rhetoric and actions was significant.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What value life? by Scott</title>
		<link>http://transportblog.co.nz/2012/05/21/what-is-the-value-of-life/#comment-39218</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 06:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My friends were part of the engineering student society.

&quot;it’s now much, much harder to cross anywhere other than a sanctified crossing&quot; That was the idea. The previous pedestrian/vehicle mix was very dangerous (particularly between engineering and science). From a safety perspective I think the addition of a crossing outside engineering and planting to gently encourage pedestrians to use it is a good idea. Ive seen the aftermath of some nasty incidents on that road prior to the upgrade. I don&#039;t think its the best place for a pedestrian utopia, Perhaps High or Queen street?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My friends were part of the engineering student society.</p>
<p>&#8220;it’s now much, much harder to cross anywhere other than a sanctified crossing&#8221; That was the idea. The previous pedestrian/vehicle mix was very dangerous (particularly between engineering and science). From a safety perspective I think the addition of a crossing outside engineering and planting to gently encourage pedestrians to use it is a good idea. Ive seen the aftermath of some nasty incidents on that road prior to the upgrade. I don&#8217;t think its the best place for a pedestrian utopia, Perhaps High or Queen street?</p>
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		<title>Comment on D-Day for the City Rail Link by Ingolfson</title>
		<link>http://transportblog.co.nz/2012/05/22/d-day-for-the-city-rail-link/#comment-39217</link>
		<dc:creator>Ingolfson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 03:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s hope. A bad decision today could spell gloom for years, even if the project won&#039;t be going away totally, of course. Not this time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s hope. A bad decision today could spell gloom for years, even if the project won&#8217;t be going away totally, of course. Not this time.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Original Business Case for the Busway by Publius</title>
		<link>http://transportblog.co.nz/2012/05/23/13288/#comment-39215</link>
		<dc:creator>Publius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 02:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Might be an interesting thesis for some University student - go back and revisit old BCR costings and compare them to reality.
Nobody else seems to be interested in doing it for obvious reasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Might be an interesting thesis for some University student &#8211; go back and revisit old BCR costings and compare them to reality.<br />
Nobody else seems to be interested in doing it for obvious reasons.</p>
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