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	<title>Comments on: Campbell Live on the &#8220;secret Super City&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: The Trickster</title>
		<link>http://transportblog.co.nz/2010/03/09/campbell-live-on-the-secret-super-city/#comment-7713</link>
		<dc:creator>The Trickster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 23:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obi - I think the continual power &#039;crisis&#039; that we keep having each winter (read Meridian releasing &#039;excess&#039; water in May then crying wolf in July) says it all. Service quality has dramatically declined yet it costs far more for electricity.

I don&#039;t care who owns something so long as I get decent service at a decent price - something which we did actually get before Max Bradford got his dirty little fingers into the electricity pie and screwed it up royally.

Also, as everyone else said, a CCO is vastly different to an SOE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obi &#8211; I think the continual power &#8216;crisis&#8217; that we keep having each winter (read Meridian releasing &#8216;excess&#8217; water in May then crying wolf in July) says it all. Service quality has dramatically declined yet it costs far more for electricity.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t care who owns something so long as I get decent service at a decent price &#8211; something which we did actually get before Max Bradford got his dirty little fingers into the electricity pie and screwed it up royally.</p>
<p>Also, as everyone else said, a CCO is vastly different to an SOE.</p>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
		<link>http://transportblog.co.nz/2010/03/09/campbell-live-on-the-secret-super-city/#comment-7693</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 05:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CCO&#039;s are very different from SOE&#039;s. SOE&#039;s generally operate in a market, competing against private companies. 
So board meetings etc are full of commercially sensitive information, and releasing that would give competitors an advantage.
However Auckland Transport CCO should be about providing a service for the people of Auckland. It is not competing against private companies. So therefore there is no need for board meetings to be totally secret.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CCO&#8217;s are very different from SOE&#8217;s. SOE&#8217;s generally operate in a market, competing against private companies.<br />
So board meetings etc are full of commercially sensitive information, and releasing that would give competitors an advantage.<br />
However Auckland Transport CCO should be about providing a service for the people of Auckland. It is not competing against private companies. So therefore there is no need for board meetings to be totally secret.</p>
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		<title>By: TopCat</title>
		<link>http://transportblog.co.nz/2010/03/09/campbell-live-on-the-secret-super-city/#comment-7684</link>
		<dc:creator>TopCat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 01:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obi,
Fair enough SOEs have managed to give us a service of sort. 

What you are talking about here, however is who controls the decisions that affect everything that happens in the public realm. Everything from how we design our access to our shops, public spaces, cycling and pedestrian access, whther my kids are safe getting to school. Whether I can live at home with minimal traffic noise, whether I have access to employment, government services, parking and pedestrian access to my local shops. Whether the business I work in is able to provide parking for its clients.

A lot of these things will have a big bearing over your quality of life.

The estimate is that the Transport Authority will control 80% of what Local Boards will be looking after.

As good and well qualified our traffic engineers are, I&#039;m not quite ready to put 100% control of these things in their hands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obi,<br />
Fair enough SOEs have managed to give us a service of sort. </p>
<p>What you are talking about here, however is who controls the decisions that affect everything that happens in the public realm. Everything from how we design our access to our shops, public spaces, cycling and pedestrian access, whther my kids are safe getting to school. Whether I can live at home with minimal traffic noise, whether I have access to employment, government services, parking and pedestrian access to my local shops. Whether the business I work in is able to provide parking for its clients.</p>
<p>A lot of these things will have a big bearing over your quality of life.</p>
<p>The estimate is that the Transport Authority will control 80% of what Local Boards will be looking after.</p>
<p>As good and well qualified our traffic engineers are, I&#8217;m not quite ready to put 100% control of these things in their hands.</p>
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		<title>By: ingolfson</title>
		<link>http://transportblog.co.nz/2010/03/09/campbell-live-on-the-secret-super-city/#comment-7683</link>
		<dc:creator>ingolfson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 01:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;In terms of secrecy – this is no change from ARTA now. Some people are presenting things as changes when they are not.&quot;

That is a totally wrong statement, as Jarbury has explained. Auckland Transport is hugely more powerful, and takes away into that secrecy many functions which are currently open and accountable to local councils. Plus, there are all the other CCO&#039;s. 

What this is doing is taking pretty much everything away from politicians - what it will achieve is that those politicians will (quite rightly) campaign day and night to battle these CCO&#039;s where they go astray. Fine setup for efficiency.

&quot;And (surely) no one wants to decorporatise the electricity companies and turn them back in to a government department as they used to be.&quot;

A typically corporate-thinking statement. Government-owned electricity corporations did very well electrifying this country and supplying it with power for decades, almost centuries. You may follow the business-community opinion if you say so - but despite decades of such talk, not everyone agrees that a common utility like electricity SHOULD be in a coporate, for-profit model. 

To state it in short - yes, I would prefer to have electricity generation be a government responsibility. The vaunted advantages of privatisation in the areas of utilities service have, time and time again, shown themselves to be mirages except for the shareholders of the privatised companies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In terms of secrecy – this is no change from ARTA now. Some people are presenting things as changes when they are not.&#8221;</p>
<p>That is a totally wrong statement, as Jarbury has explained. Auckland Transport is hugely more powerful, and takes away into that secrecy many functions which are currently open and accountable to local councils. Plus, there are all the other CCO&#8217;s. </p>
<p>What this is doing is taking pretty much everything away from politicians &#8211; what it will achieve is that those politicians will (quite rightly) campaign day and night to battle these CCO&#8217;s where they go astray. Fine setup for efficiency.</p>
<p>&#8220;And (surely) no one wants to decorporatise the electricity companies and turn them back in to a government department as they used to be.&#8221;</p>
<p>A typically corporate-thinking statement. Government-owned electricity corporations did very well electrifying this country and supplying it with power for decades, almost centuries. You may follow the business-community opinion if you say so &#8211; but despite decades of such talk, not everyone agrees that a common utility like electricity SHOULD be in a coporate, for-profit model. </p>
<p>To state it in short &#8211; yes, I would prefer to have electricity generation be a government responsibility. The vaunted advantages of privatisation in the areas of utilities service have, time and time again, shown themselves to be mirages except for the shareholders of the privatised companies.</p>
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		<title>By: obi</title>
		<link>http://transportblog.co.nz/2010/03/09/campbell-live-on-the-secret-super-city/#comment-7682</link>
		<dc:creator>obi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 00:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TopCat... That&#039;s less money than I spend on electricity each year. Three quarters of the electricity sector are owned by the government. The government appoints the boards and lets them get on with it. No one gets upset that they&#039;re unable to sit in on senior management meetings at electricity companies. And (surely) no one wants to decorporatise the electricity companies and turn them back in to a government department as they used to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TopCat&#8230; That&#8217;s less money than I spend on electricity each year. Three quarters of the electricity sector are owned by the government. The government appoints the boards and lets them get on with it. No one gets upset that they&#8217;re unable to sit in on senior management meetings at electricity companies. And (surely) no one wants to decorporatise the electricity companies and turn them back in to a government department as they used to be.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://transportblog.co.nz/2010/03/09/campbell-live-on-the-secret-super-city/#comment-7681</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 00:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obi, the difference is that NZ Post is effectively a self-contained business, rather than a service provider that sucks up $650 million a year in rates. A better example would be if the Ministry of Health or Education were a SOE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obi, the difference is that NZ Post is effectively a self-contained business, rather than a service provider that sucks up $650 million a year in rates. A better example would be if the Ministry of Health or Education were a SOE.</p>
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		<title>By: TopCat</title>
		<link>http://transportblog.co.nz/2010/03/09/campbell-live-on-the-secret-super-city/#comment-7680</link>
		<dc:creator>TopCat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 00:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Err they are deciding upon how to spend 54% of our rates. Don&#039;t you want some sort of public record about how they go about it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Err they are deciding upon how to spend 54% of our rates. Don&#8217;t you want some sort of public record about how they go about it?</p>
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		<title>By: obi</title>
		<link>http://transportblog.co.nz/2010/03/09/campbell-live-on-the-secret-super-city/#comment-7679</link>
		<dc:creator>obi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 00:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How is the proposed structure any different from that used nationally with SOEs?

Take NZ Post for instance. Their Board isn&#039;t made up of MPs, thank goodness. I don&#039;t have the right to attend Board meetings, let alone meetings of the senior management. But I&#039;d hardly say that NZ Post were operating secretly or unaccountably. Who do I complain to if my letter isn&#039;t delivered?  I&#039;d complain to NZ Post obviously. If an MP suggested that disgruntled postal customers would naturally want to complain to MPs and that this was a reason to allow MPs to manage the day to day business of the postal system, then that would be a recipe for disaster. 

Clear separation between policy development and operations is a good thing, IMHO. The alternative is meddling and operating to maximise non-transparent political objectives, rather than targets that can be clearly codified and given to an operating agency to pursue and where their performance can be measured.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is the proposed structure any different from that used nationally with SOEs?</p>
<p>Take NZ Post for instance. Their Board isn&#8217;t made up of MPs, thank goodness. I don&#8217;t have the right to attend Board meetings, let alone meetings of the senior management. But I&#8217;d hardly say that NZ Post were operating secretly or unaccountably. Who do I complain to if my letter isn&#8217;t delivered?  I&#8217;d complain to NZ Post obviously. If an MP suggested that disgruntled postal customers would naturally want to complain to MPs and that this was a reason to allow MPs to manage the day to day business of the postal system, then that would be a recipe for disaster. </p>
<p>Clear separation between policy development and operations is a good thing, IMHO. The alternative is meddling and operating to maximise non-transparent political objectives, rather than targets that can be clearly codified and given to an operating agency to pursue and where their performance can be measured.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Harris</title>
		<link>http://transportblog.co.nz/2010/03/09/campbell-live-on-the-secret-super-city/#comment-7678</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 23:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I&#039;m just not willing to compromise on throwing out democracy, I guess the fact that so many are willing is reason that we are getting such an obviously flawed, undemocratic model forced apon us which will lead to a (by then) much needed reform by Labour in 5 - 10 years but Hide and Joyce won&#039;t care, they would have forced their sprawling, congested, soulless model of Auckland on us...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I&#8217;m just not willing to compromise on throwing out democracy, I guess the fact that so many are willing is reason that we are getting such an obviously flawed, undemocratic model forced apon us which will lead to a (by then) much needed reform by Labour in 5 &#8211; 10 years but Hide and Joyce won&#8217;t care, they would have forced their sprawling, congested, soulless model of Auckland on us&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: KatieD</title>
		<link>http://transportblog.co.nz/2010/03/09/campbell-live-on-the-secret-super-city/#comment-7677</link>
		<dc:creator>KatieD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 22:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Jeremy - One option is to shout, throw insults and make extreme statements.  Another is to try and engage constructively with the process in such a way that decision makers are more likely to listen to you.  The former approach is probably more effective in engaging the public.  I&#039;m more interested in working towards the best achievable outcome given the reality of who is making the decisions.  Whatever legislation is passed, those of us in the local government sector will need to try and make it work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Jeremy &#8211; One option is to shout, throw insults and make extreme statements.  Another is to try and engage constructively with the process in such a way that decision makers are more likely to listen to you.  The former approach is probably more effective in engaging the public.  I&#8217;m more interested in working towards the best achievable outcome given the reality of who is making the decisions.  Whatever legislation is passed, those of us in the local government sector will need to try and make it work.</p>
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