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	<title>Comments on: More Details on the Electrification Announcement</title>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://transportblog.co.nz/2009/11/24/more-details-on-the-electrification-announcement/#comment-4707</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 10:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great debate, ...btw Jerremy what do you mean &quot;if&quot; the allblacks win ! Big fan , Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great debate, &#8230;btw Jerremy what do you mean &#8220;if&#8221; the allblacks win ! Big fan , Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://transportblog.co.nz/2009/11/24/more-details-on-the-electrification-announcement/#comment-4699</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 07:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would have been nice if there had been a bit of future-proofing to make it relatively easy to quad-track that tunnel though. I mean you know, a little bit of vision would have been good!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would have been nice if there had been a bit of future-proofing to make it relatively easy to quad-track that tunnel though. I mean you know, a little bit of vision would have been good!</p>
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		<title>By: Nick R</title>
		<link>http://transportblog.co.nz/2009/11/24/more-details-on-the-electrification-announcement/#comment-4698</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 01:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I think it was what was feasible at the time and the only glaring obvious omission was leaving space to quad track…&quot;

Remember it was only designed to take two heavy rail lines, i.e. just the Southern and Eastern plus perhaps an Overlander each day. The western line and any new routes were to be light rail that would not use the throat tunnel, so the capacity as originally invisioned was appropriate.

Also bear in mind that the tunnel was actually built by the Auckland City Council before they had any indication that any station or upgrade was going to take place, you can forgive them for not making it four tracks when it might not have been used at all!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think it was what was feasible at the time and the only glaring obvious omission was leaving space to quad track…&#8221;</p>
<p>Remember it was only designed to take two heavy rail lines, i.e. just the Southern and Eastern plus perhaps an Overlander each day. The western line and any new routes were to be light rail that would not use the throat tunnel, so the capacity as originally invisioned was appropriate.</p>
<p>Also bear in mind that the tunnel was actually built by the Auckland City Council before they had any indication that any station or upgrade was going to take place, you can forgive them for not making it four tracks when it might not have been used at all!</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
		<link>http://transportblog.co.nz/2009/11/24/more-details-on-the-electrification-announcement/#comment-4694</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 21:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Britomart was definately the best solution at the time, as we were never going to get the funding for the full CBD Loop, also with respect to Labour/Greens getting in, no chance. The problem is the labour led government never got anything done, right or wrong at least the nats get things going and make progress. Plus Key is popular and the most wanted prime minister, I want to see Phil Goff donate all his government earnings to charity!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Britomart was definately the best solution at the time, as we were never going to get the funding for the full CBD Loop, also with respect to Labour/Greens getting in, no chance. The problem is the labour led government never got anything done, right or wrong at least the nats get things going and make progress. Plus Key is popular and the most wanted prime minister, I want to see Phil Goff donate all his government earnings to charity!</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://transportblog.co.nz/2009/11/24/more-details-on-the-electrification-announcement/#comment-4643</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember the tunnel was built a few years before the station - actually at the same time that Quay Street was realigned to give the Port more space.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember the tunnel was built a few years before the station &#8211; actually at the same time that Quay Street was realigned to give the Port more space.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Harris</title>
		<link>http://transportblog.co.nz/2009/11/24/more-details-on-the-electrification-announcement/#comment-4642</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it was what was feasible at the time and the only glaring obvious omission was leaving space to quad track...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it was what was feasible at the time and the only glaring obvious omission was leaving space to quad track&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://transportblog.co.nz/2009/11/24/more-details-on-the-electrification-announcement/#comment-4639</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 04:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think we would have seen a rail revival without a proper CBD station. Bus transfers never worked.

However, I think it is a debatable point about whether Britomart was the right CBD station to build. Perhaps it might have been better to have kept the Beach Road station and then tunnelled from there to the Midtown station, then to K Rd and on to Mt Eden.

But it was hard enough getting Britomart built, let alone something five times its cost, when you only had 1000 rail passengers a day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think we would have seen a rail revival without a proper CBD station. Bus transfers never worked.</p>
<p>However, I think it is a debatable point about whether Britomart was the right CBD station to build. Perhaps it might have been better to have kept the Beach Road station and then tunnelled from there to the Midtown station, then to K Rd and on to Mt Eden.</p>
<p>But it was hard enough getting Britomart built, let alone something five times its cost, when you only had 1000 rail passengers a day.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve  Barnes</title>
		<link>http://transportblog.co.nz/2009/11/24/more-details-on-the-electrification-announcement/#comment-4638</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve  Barnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 03:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;station was just too far away from where anyone in the system wanted to go in the city…&quot;
Hence my suggestion about the bus station.
Ironicaly people now have to travel much further if they want to get to the Vector Arena ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;station was just too far away from where anyone in the system wanted to go in the city…&#8221;<br />
Hence my suggestion about the bus station.<br />
Ironicaly people now have to travel much further if they want to get to the Vector Arena <img src='http://transportblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Nick R</title>
		<link>http://transportblog.co.nz/2009/11/24/more-details-on-the-electrification-announcement/#comment-4637</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 03:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the fact that you couldn’t get a train to most main centres astounded me&quot;

Yes, much like the fact that you couldn&#039;t take an Auckland suburban train to the centre of Auckland.

I&#039;ll qualify my above statement, there were two things that saved Auckland rail. Before Britomart the introduction of the ex-perth DMUs brough the system back from the brink of oblivion with some (relatively) comfortable and reliable trains suited to urban services. But at that point they were still only carrying a little over a thousand people a day because of the station location. The fact that once Britomart was built it meant that people could catch a train to the CBD, that is what really kicked things off. That is why patronage has been growing by 3-40% per annum over the last five years. They would never have contemplated electrification if the &#039;central&#039; station wasn&#039;t in the CBD for example, why would you when it only carried about a thousand people each day?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the fact that you couldn’t get a train to most main centres astounded me&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, much like the fact that you couldn&#8217;t take an Auckland suburban train to the centre of Auckland.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll qualify my above statement, there were two things that saved Auckland rail. Before Britomart the introduction of the ex-perth DMUs brough the system back from the brink of oblivion with some (relatively) comfortable and reliable trains suited to urban services. But at that point they were still only carrying a little over a thousand people a day because of the station location. The fact that once Britomart was built it meant that people could catch a train to the CBD, that is what really kicked things off. That is why patronage has been growing by 3-40% per annum over the last five years. They would never have contemplated electrification if the &#8216;central&#8217; station wasn&#8217;t in the CBD for example, why would you when it only carried about a thousand people each day?!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Harris</title>
		<link>http://transportblog.co.nz/2009/11/24/more-details-on-the-electrification-announcement/#comment-4635</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 02:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well we&#039;ll have to agree to disagree, general disrepair was obviously a factor in declining patronage but I&#039;d argue part of the reason this decline happened was the central (and presumably most important) station was just too far away from where anyone in the system wanted to go in the city...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well we&#8217;ll have to agree to disagree, general disrepair was obviously a factor in declining patronage but I&#8217;d argue part of the reason this decline happened was the central (and presumably most important) station was just too far away from where anyone in the system wanted to go in the city&#8230;</p>
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